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Judges 8:16 · Bible study

Judges 8:16 Commentary: The Hebrew Verb Behind Gideon's Teaching

Hebrew · 10 what the commentators say

Meaning in one sentence

Scholars debate whether the Hebrew verb in Judges 8:16 means 'taught' or is a textual corruption for 'tore.' How does this affect understanding of Gideon's

Research Summary

  • Meaning: Gideon punished the elders of Succoth with thorns, fulfilling his earlier threat for their refusal to aid his army.
  • Key words: va-yoda (יֹדַע), Hiphil of ‘to know,’ meaning ‘taught’ or ‘made to feel’; qotz (קוֹץ), thorn; barqanim (בַּרְקָנִים), briers.
  • Main debate: Is the Masoretic verb ‘taught’ original, or is it a scribal error for ‘tore’ (a form of dush)?
  • Theological theme: God works through flawed human judges whose severity can be unsettling, yet His purpose to deliver Israel stands.
  • Best use: Old Testament narrative about justice, consequences of disbelief, and the complexity of biblical heroes.

Translation Comparison

BSB Berean Standard Bible 2020

Then he took the elders of the city, and using the thorns and briers of the wilderness, he disciplined the men of Succoth.

WEB World English Bible 2000

He took the elders of the city, and thorns of the wilderness and briers, and with them he taught the men of Succoth.

KJV King James Version 1769

And he took the elders of the city, and thorns of the wilderness and briers, and with them he taught the men of Succoth.

ASV American Standard Version 1901

And he took the elders of the city, and thorns of the wilderness and briers, and with them he taught the men of Succoth.

YLT Young's Literal Translation 1898

And he taketh the elders of the city, and the thorns of the wilderness, and the threshing instruments, and teacheth by them the men of Succoth,

Darby Darby Bible 1890

And he took the elders of the city, and thorns of the wilderness and briars, and with them he taught the men of Succoth.

Douay-Rheims Douay-Rheims Bible 1899

So he took the ancients of the city, and thorns and briers of the desert, and tore them with the same, and cut in pieces the men of Soccoth.

Translations in other languages (10 available)
ES Reina-Valera 1909 1909

Y tomó á los ancianos de la ciudad, y espinas y abrojos del desierto, y castigó con ellos á los de Succoth.

PT Almeida Livre 1994

E tomou aos anciãos da cidade, e espinhos e abrolhos do deserto, e castigou com eles aos de Sucote.

FR Louis Segond 1910

Et il prit les anciens de la ville, et châtia les gens de Succoth avec des épines du désert et avec des chardons.

DE Luther Bibel 1912 1912

Und er nahm die Ältesten der Stadt und Dornen aus der Wüste und Hecken und ließ es die Leute zu Sukkoth fühlen.

NL Statenvertaling 1637

En hij nam de oudsten dier stad, en doornen der woestijn, en distelen, en deed het den lieden van Sukkoth door dezelve verstaan.

IT Riveduta 1927

E prese gli anziani della città, e con delle spine del deserto e con de’ triboli castigò gli uomini di Succoth.

PL Biblia Gdańska 1632

Przetoż wziąwszy starsze miasta onego, i ciernia z onej pustyni i ostu, dał na nich przykład innym mężom Sokot.

RU Синодальный перевод 1876

И взял старейшин города и терновник пустынный и зубчатые молотильные доски и наказал ими жителей Сокхофа;

ZH 和合本 1919

於是捉住 那 城 內的長老,用 野地 的荊條 和 枳棘 責打(原文是指教) 疏割 人;

EN Bible in Basic English 1949

Then he took the responsible men of the town and had them crushed on a bed of thorns and sharp stems.

Verse in Context

14 He caught a young man of the men of Succoth, and inquired of him; and he described for him the princes of Succoth, and its elders, seventy-seven men.
15 He came to the men of Succoth, and said, “See Zebah and Zalmunna, concerning whom you taunted me, saying, ‘Are the hands of Zebah and Zalmunna now in your hand, that we should give bread to your men who are weary?’”
16 He took the elders of the city, and thorns of the wilderness and briers, and with them he taught the men of Succoth.
17 He broke down the tower of Penuel, and killed the men of the city.
18 Then he said to Zebah and Zalmunna, “What kind of men were they whom you killed at Tabor?” They answered, “They were like you. They all resembled the children of a king.”

Original Language (Biblical Hebrew)

וַ/יִּקַּח֙ va/i.yi.Kach Hc/Vqw3ms H3947 and/ he took
אֶת\־ 'et- HTo H0853 <obj.>
זִקְנֵ֣י zik.Nei HAampc H2205 [the] elders of
הָ/עִ֔יר ha./'Ir HTd/Ncfsa H5892 the/ city
וְ/אֶת\־ ve./'Et HC/To H0853 and/ <obj.>
קוֹצֵ֥י ko.Tzei HNcmpc H6975 [the] thorns of
הַ/מִּדְבָּ֖ר ha./mid.Bar HTd/Ncmsa H4057 the/ wilderness
וְ/אֶת\־ ve./'Et HC/To H0853 and/ <obj.>
הַֽ/בַּרְקֳנִ֑ים ha./bar.ko.Nim HTd/Ncmpa H1303 the/ briers
וַ/יֹּ֣דַע va/i.Yo.da' Hc/Vhw3ms H3045 and/ he taught
בָּ/הֶ֔ם ba./Hem HRd/Sp3mp H9038 with <the>/ them
אֵ֖ת 'et HTo H0853 <obj.>
אַנְשֵׁ֥י 'an.Shei HNcmpc H0582 [the] men of
סֻכּֽוֹת\׃ su.Kot HNpl H5523 Succoth

Source: STEPBible TAGNT/TEHB (CC-BY 4.0). Click or tap a morphology code to see the full parsing.

Scholars' Consensus

All commentators agree that Gideon carried out the punishment he threatened in Judges 8:7, using thorns and briers against the elders and men of Succoth. The central disagreement concerns the Hebrew verb va-yoda. Clarke, Barnes, and the Geneva Bible say the original text read a verb meaning ‘tore’ or ‘threshed,’ as reflected in the Septuagint, Vulgate, Syriac, and Targum. Gill and Keil defend the Masoretic reading ‘taught’ as a Hiphil of yada, meaning ‘caused to know’, i.e., made them feel punishment. Keil argues the Hiphil form is grammatically defensible (cf. Numbers 16:5; Job 32:7). Despite the verbal disagreement, the physical action is clear: severe corporal punishment with desert thorn bushes. Whether seen as just judgment for betrayal or as a harsh measure, the narrative does not condemn Gideon for it.

How settled is the interpretation?

Interpretive difficulty: High

Main views:

  1. Textual emendation view: Ancient versions (LXX, Vulgate, Syriac) read a verb meaning 'tore'; the letter shapes shin and ayin are easily confused.
  2. Masoretic reading defended: Keil and Gill argue the Hiphil of yada fits the pattern of 'caused to know' through punishment; the versions' readings are interpretive, not critical.
  3. Euphemistic interpretation: Even if 'taught' is accepted, it functions as a euphemism for severe corporal punishment (cf. English 'teach a lesson').

What is clear: Gideon physically punished the elders of Succoth with thorns and briers, fulfilling the threat he made in verse 7, as a consequence for their refusal to support his army.

What Scholars Agree and Debate

TopicAgreedDebated
Textual reading of the verbGideon inflicted a severe punishment with thorns and briers.Some (Clarke, Barnes, Geneva Bible) say the original read 'tore' (supported by ancient versions); others (Keil, Gill) defend the Masoretic 'taught' as meaning 'caused to know' through punishment.
Moral evaluation of Gideon's actionThe punishment was a direct fulfillment of his oath in 8:7.Some view it as righteous judgment against civic treachery; others see it as excessive violence that foreshadows Israel's decline.
Historical setting of Succoth and PenuelThese were Israelite towns east of the Jordan.Scholars disagree on whether the narrative in 8:4-21 is a continuous sequel to chapter 7 or a separate tradition (Cambridge Bible notes a possible independent source).

Historical & Cultural Context

Succoth and Penuel were Israelite towns east of the Jordan, in the territory of Gad. Their refusal to give bread to Gideon’s exhausted 300 men (Judges 8:4-6) was not mere stinginess, it was a refusal to support a holy war that Gideon believed Yahweh had ordained. The phrase ‘Are the hands of Zebah and Zalmunna now in your hand?’ reflects their doubt that Gideon would actually capture the Midianite kings. In ancient Near Eastern warfare, such disloyalty from fellow Israelites was a serious offense, akin to treason against God’s deliverance.

Gideon’s return with the two captured kings proved them wrong. He took seventy-seven named elders, a full civic council, and made them a public example. The ‘thorns of the wilderness’ likely refer to the abundant thorny shrubs common in the Jordan Valley, some large enough to flay skin. JFB notes that thin eastern clothing would make this punishment especially brutal. The verb debate itself is a window into scribal transmission: the similar appearance of shin (ש) and ayin (ע) in the Hebrew script could have altered an original reading ‘he threshed’ (וַיָּדָשׁ) into the Masoretic ‘he taught’ (וַיֹּדַע).

Textual Notes

The primary textual issue concerns the verb va-yoda (וַיֹּדַע). Many ancient versions, the Septuagint, Vulgate, Syriac, and Targum, read a verb meaning ‘tore’ or ‘threshed’ instead of ‘taught.’ Clarke and Barnes argue the Hebrew text was corrupted by the similarity of the letters shin (ש) and ayin (ע), which could change vayyadosh (‘and he threshed’) into vayyoda (‘and he taught’). Keil defends the Masoretic form as a legitimate Hiphil of yada, citing parallel defective writings. No other significant variants are noted in the supplied sources.

Reception History

Medieval Jewish commentators such as Rashi and Abarbinel read the Masoretic ‘taught’ but interpreted it as chastisement, a ‘teaching’ through physical pain. The Geneva Bible (1599) rendered the verb as ‘did tear,’ following the Vulgate and early Protestant tradition. Luther’s German Bible also favoured the emendation. In the 19th century, critical commentaries (e.g., the Cambridge Bible, Keil & Delitzsch) debated the textual evidence, with Keil mounting a defence of the MT. Modern translations are divided: most English versions (WEB, KJV, ASV) keep ‘taught,’ while the BSB renders it ‘disciplined’ and the Douay-Rheims follows the Vulgate’s ‘tore.’ The question thus continues to shape how readers imagine Gideon’s severity.

Preaching This Verse

Three-point outline

  1. The promise of consequence. Gideon’s threat in v.7 is not empty. God’s servants mean what they say when speaking judgment on disbelief.
  2. The form of the lesson. Whether the verb means ‘taught’ or ‘tore,’ the punishment is physical and public. It serves as a deterrent and a vindication of Gideon’s God-given mission.
  3. The mixed record of heroes. Gideon, despite his faith (Hebrews 11:32), acts with a severity that leaves readers uneasy. The text invites us to see God’s deliverance through flawed instruments.

Five-point outline

  1. Context of rejection: Israelite towns refuse aid to God’s army.
  2. Threat uttered with confidence that God would give victory.
  3. Victory achieved: the kings are captured.
  4. Punishment carried out: elders are disciplined with thorns.
  5. Aftermath: Gideon’s own family and nation spiral into idolatry (vv.33-35).

Illustration hooks

  • A teacher who says ‘I’ll teach you a lesson’ before assigning extra homework, a mild parallel to the euphemistic use of ‘teach’ for punishment.
  • A neighbor who refused to help during an emergency, then had to live with the public embarrassment of being wrong.
  • The modern experience of feeling abandoned by those who should support a difficult but right cause.

Questions your congregation is asking

  • How can a man of faith use such violence? Is this the same Gideon of the fleece and the 300?
  • Does the Bible endorse this kind of revenge? Israel’s judges often acted in ways that are descriptive, not prescriptive.
  • What does ‘teaching’ mean in this context? Is it a figure of speech for corporal punishment?

Leading a Discussion

This passage forces hard questions about justice, leadership, and the difference between serving God and serving our own sense of vindication. Read Judges 8:4-21 as a group before focusing on verse 16.

Discussion questions

  1. Why do you think the men of Succoth refused Gideon’s request? What did it reveal about their view of God’s power?
  2. Compare the threat in verse 7 with the action in verse 16. What details change? What stays the same?
  3. The Hebrew verb yada usually means ‘to know.’ How does that meaning colour the phrase ‘he taught them’? What did they come to know?
  4. Some ancient texts read ‘he tore’ instead of ‘he taught.’ How does each reading affect your view of Gideon’s character?
  5. Gideon’s earlier call was marked by humility (6:15). How does the Gideon of chapter 8 compare?
  6. If you were an elder of Succoth, what might you have done differently? What does that say about faith under pressure?
  7. Where in your own life do you need to support God’s work even when it looks risky?

What the Commentators Say

10 public-domain commentaries, condensed into plain language.

Adam Clarke's Commentary Methodist/Wesleyan 1826

Clarke argues that the Hebrew text likely read "he tore" rather than "he taught," matching Gideon's earlier threat. He points to the Vulgate, Septuagint, Chaldee, Syriac, and Arabic versions as supporting this reading, and notes that the similar-looking Hebrew letters could easily have been confused by copyists.

Barnes' Notes on the Bible Protestant 1832

Barnes notes that the word "taught" in this verse is likely a copyist's mistake. The original reading was probably "threshed," as seen in the margin of Judges 8:7, where a similar textual issue occurs. This suggests the verse originally described a different action.

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges Anglican 1880

The Cambridge note observes that the section may be a fragment from an independent source, not a direct continuation of the preceding panic and flight. It also highlights the terse Hebrew phrasing behind the chiefs' proud taunt, and notes that the word for "crescents" is related to an Aramaic moon-god name, not the ordinary Hebrew word for moon.

Geneva Bible Notes Reformed 1599

The Geneva Notes take this as a literal, violent execution: Gideon crushed or tore the elders of Succoth to death using thorns and briers, carrying out God's judgment for their refusal to aid his army. This was not a mere beating but a capital punishment.

Gill's Exposition of the Bible Baptist 1748

Gill focuses on the word "taught" in this passage, arguing it really means to chastise or inflict punishment as a lesson. He compares it to a parent saying "I will teach you" while threatening discipline. The elders of Succoth were publicly beaten with thorns and briers to make them know their sin and its seriousness.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Commentary Protestant 1871

JFB sees Gideon's punishment not as cruelty but as justice fitting the crime. The men of Succoth committed a public offense by refusing refreshment to his soldiers, and the local thorn bushes, unusually large and abundant, made the flogging a terrible ordeal given the light clothing typical in the East.

Keil & Delitzsch OT Commentary Protestant 1876

Keil-Delitzsch insists that Gideon's punishment of Succoth and Pnuel was not personal vengeance but a righteous duty. As God's appointed judge, Gideon acted against cities whose contempt for him was really contempt for the Lord. The execution of the Midianite kings followed strict justice for the murder of Gideon's brothers.

Lange's Commentary Reformed 1857

Lange emphasizes that Israel’s oppression was not only military but also an internal bondage of unbelief and materialism. Succoth and Penuel, by refusing bread, revealed selfish cowardice and distrust of God’s work. Gideon’s measured punishment—threshing only the rulers with thorns—taught the people a lesson without destroying the innocent.

Matthew Henry's Commentary Reformed/Presbyterian 1710

Henry highlights the remarkable perseverance of Gideon's men: though they were exhausted, they kept chasing the enemy. He contrasts this with the cold-hearted refusal of Succoth and Penuel, who would not help their own countrymen. For Henry, their unwillingness betrayed a lack of trust that God would give Gideon victory.

Wesley's Explanatory Notes Methodist/Wesleyan 1754

Wesley rejects Matthew Henry's claim that the goodness of God's promised land will intensify the punishment of those who perish. He argues that this reasoning fails under predestination: if some are not elected, they never had a genuine offer, and if all the elect are saved, the grant was never free to the others.

Word Study

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Cross-References

Source: Treasury of Scripture Knowledge (TSK, public domain)

Judges 8:7 Gideon said, “Therefore when Yahweh has delivered Zebah and Zalmunna into my hand, then I will tear your flesh with the thorns of the wilderness and with briers.”
Ezra 2:6 The children of Pahathmoab, of the children of Jeshua and Joab, two thousand eight hundred twelve.
Proverbs 10:13 Wisdom is found on the lips of him who has discernment, but a rod is for the back of him who is void of understanding.
Proverbs 19:29 Penalties are prepared for scoffers, and beatings for the backs of fools.
Micah 7:4 The best of them is like a brier. The most upright is worse than a thorn hedge. The day of your watchmen, even your visitation, has come; now is the time of their confusion.

Interlinear and lexical data from STEPBible (CC BY 4.0). Cross-reference data from OpenBible.info (CC BY 4.0). Commentaries are public domain.

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