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Job 15:9 · Bible study

Job 15:9 Commentary: The Limits of Human Wisdom

Hebrew · 9 what the commentators say

Meaning in one sentence

Eliphaz challenges Job's claim to exclusive understanding. Explore the rhetorical force and the conflict between tradition and experience in Job 15:9.

Research Summary

  • Meaning: Eliphaz challenges Job's claim to exclusive insight, asserting that the friends' traditional wisdom is sufficient.
  • Key words: yada (know, H3045), bin (understand, H0995), ‘immanu (with us, H5973).
  • Main debate: Does reliable knowledge of God come through inherited tradition (Eliphaz) or through personal experience and honest questioning (Job)?
  • Theological theme: The insufficiency of human wisdom, even accumulated wisdom, to fully comprehend God's ways and to respond rightly to suffering.
  • Best use: To illuminate how easily we use tradition and certainty to silence those whose experience unsettles us, and to call us toward humility and deeper listening.

Translation Comparison

BSB Berean Standard Bible 2020

What do you know that we do not? What do you understand that is not clear to us?

WEB World English Bible 2000

What do you know that we don’t know? What do you understand which is not in us?

KJV King James Version 1769

What knowest thou, that we know not? what understandest thou, which is not in us?

ASV American Standard Version 1901

What knowest thou, that we know not? What understandest thou, which is not in us?

YLT Young's Literal Translation 1898

What hast thou known, and we know not? Understandest thou--and it is not with us?

Darby Darby Bible 1890

What knowest thou that we know not? [what] understandest thou which is not in us?

Douay-Rheims Douay-Rheims Bible 1899

What knowest thou that we are ignorant of? what dost thou understand that we know not?

Translations in other languages (10 available)
ES Reina-Valera 1909 1909

¿ Qué sabes tú que no sepamos? ¿ qué entiendes que no se halle en nosotros?

PT Almeida Livre 1994

O que tu sabes que nós não saibamos? O que tu entendes que não tenhamos entendido ?

FR Louis Segond 1910

Que sais-tu que nous ne sachions pas?

DE Luther Bibel 1912 1912

Was weißt du, das wir nicht wissen? was verstehst du, das nicht bei uns sei?

NL Statenvertaling 1637

Wat weet gij, dat wij niet weten? Wat verstaat gij, dat bij ons niet is?

IT Riveduta 1927

Che sai tu che noi non sappiamo? Che conoscenza hai tu che non sia pur nostra?

PL Biblia Gdańska 1632

Cóż ty umiesz, czego my nie wiemy? albo cóż ty rozumiesz, czegobyśmy my nie rozumieli?

RU Синодальный перевод 1876

Что знаешь ты, чего бы не знали мы? что разумеешь ты, чего не было бы и у нас?

ZH 和合本 1919

你知道 甚麼 是我們不 知道的呢?你明白 甚麼是 我們 不明白的呢?

EN Bible in Basic English 1949

What knowledge have you which we have not? is there anything in your mind which is not in ours?

Verse in Context

7 “Are you the first man who was born? Or were you brought out before the hills?
8 Have you heard the secret counsel of God? Do you limit wisdom to yourself?
9 What do you know that we don’t know? What do you understand which is not in us?
10 With us are both the gray-headed and the very aged men, much older than your father.
11 Are the consolations of God too small for you, even the word that is gentle toward you?

Original Language (Biblical Hebrew)

מַה\־ mah- HPi H4100 what?
יָּ֭דַעְתָּ Ya.da'.ta HVqp2ms H3045 do you know
וְ/לֹ֣א ve./Lo' HC/Tn H3808 and/ not
נֵדָ֑ע ne.Da' HVqi1cp H3045 we know
תָּ֝בִ֗ין ta.Vin HVqi2ms H0995 do you understand?
וְֽ/לֹא\־ ve./lo'- HC/Tn H3808 and/ not
עִמָּ֥/נוּ 'i.Ma./nu HR/Sp1bp H5973 [is] with/ us
הֽוּא\׃ Hu' HPp3ms H1931 it

Source: STEPBible TAGNT/TEHB (CC-BY 4.0). Click or tap a morphology code to see the full parsing.

Scholars' Consensus

Commentators agree that Eliphaz uses this verse to challenge Job's apparent claim to superior insight. Barnes notes that Eliphaz asserts equal or greater advantages for the friends. Clarke paraphrases the question as 'show us any point of knowledge possessed by yourself of which we are ignorant.' The Cambridge Bible connects this to Job 12:3 and 13:2, where Job claimed not to be inferior to them; Eliphaz now throws those words back. Gill observes that the friends had at least as much learning and life experience. The rhetorical question is not a genuine inquiry but a dismissal: it assumes the answer is obvious and that Job has no unique knowledge. The Hebrew verb forms, yada'ta (you know) and tavin (you understand), are Qal imperfects, describing ongoing action: 'what do you keep knowing that we do not?' This frame turns Job into a man clinging to a private truth. The phrase 'with us' (‘immanu) is emphatic, stressing shared possession. What the commentators help us see: Eliphaz speaks from a system that trusts collective tradition over individual experience. His question shuts down dialogue before it can begin, a warning to anyone who assumes their own framework holds all the answers. The verse thus exposes a tension every community of faith faces: how to honor inherited wisdom without using it to silence the sufferer.

How settled is the interpretation?

Interpretive difficulty: Medium

Main views:

  1. Traditional sufficiency: Eliphaz speaks for the consensus of the elders (v.10), who hold that inherited wisdom is the reliable path to understanding God.
  2. Experiential knowledge: Job's firsthand suffering and his dialogues reveal that traditional wisdom is incomplete and can be cruel; the book's climax (Job 42:7) sides with Job over the friends.

What is clear: Eliphaz's rhetorical question is intended to dismiss Job's unique perspective by appealing to the assumed sufficiency of the community's shared wisdom.

What Scholars Agree and Debate

TopicAgreedDebated
Authority of tradition in JobThe friends rely on traditional wisdom passed from elders, which was a respected source of knowledge in the ancient world.Christians differ on whether Eliphaz's confidence in tradition is valid or whether the book of Job ultimately shows tradition must be corrected by direct encounter with God.
Job's claim to wisdomJob asserts he is not inferior to the friends in understanding (Job 12:3; 13:2).Some see Job's experiential insight from suffering as more authentic than the friends' doctrinal framework; others caution that suffering alone does not guarantee true knowledge.
Rhetorical force of v.9The rhetorical question is intended to silence Job and is not a genuine inquiry.Interpreters debate whether Eliphaz's speeches are entirely misguided or contain partial truths that are wrongly applied.
Age and wisdomAncient cultures valued the wisdom of the aged; Eliphaz appeals to gray hair as grounds for authority.Does age automatically confer spiritual understanding, or can tradition become a barrier to fresh insight?

Historical & Cultural Context

Job 15:9 belongs to Eliphaz's second speech, which is significantly harsher than his first. The friends have grown impatient with Job's refusal to concede their traditional doctrine of retribution: that suffering always follows sin. Eliphaz now attacks not only Job's words but his character and his claim to any special insight. The rhetorical question 'What do you know that we don't know?' echoes Job's earlier assertions in 12:3 and 13:2, where Job declared he was not inferior to them. Eliphaz turns Job's own language into a weapon, a common tactic in ancient debate.

In the ancient Near East, wisdom was typically seen as cumulative, passed from elders to younger generations. Eliphaz appeals to this cultural norm in verse 10: 'With us are both the gray-headed and the very aged men, much older than your father.' Age conferred authority; to contradict the elders was to reject the foundation of knowledge. The friends see themselves as custodians of a tradition that reaches back to the ancestors. Job's suffering should, in their view, lead him to repent, not to demand a hearing with God.

But the book of Job as a whole subverts this very assumption. God's speeches from the whirlwind (Job 38, 41) do not endorse the friends' neat system. Instead, God affirms Job's honest struggle over the friends' correct-sounding but hollow doctrine (Job 42:7). This contextual irony is crucial: Eliphaz's question sounds reasonable on the surface, yet the narrative shows that his confidence in traditional wisdom is misplaced. The verse thus stands at a fault line in the biblical wisdom tradition, between trust in received teaching and the unsettling truth that God's ways often exceed human categories.

Textual Notes

The consulted sources note no significant textual variants for Job 15:9. The Hebrew text is consistent across the major manuscripts (Masoretic Text, Septuagint, Syriac Peshitta, and Latin Vulgate all preserve the same double rhetorical question structure). The two parallel lines follow standard Hebrew poetic parallelism, with yada‘ (know) and bin (understand) as synonymous verbs, and the negation lo’ appearing in both clauses. The only minor difference among English translations is stylistic: some render the second clause as 'what understandest thou which is not in us?' (KJV, ASV) while others use 'that is not clear to us' (BSB) or 'we have not been acquainted with' (Keil & Delitzsch). These are interpretive, not text-critical.

Reception History

Throughout church history, Job 15:9 has been read as a caution against pride in one's own wisdom and as an affirmation of the value of collective insight. Early Christian writers such as Gregory the Great saw in the friends a type of those who rely on human reason rather than divine revelation. During the Reformation, commentators like Calvin (though not in the supplied excerpts) used verses like this to argue that Scripture alone, not human tradition, is the final authority, though they also held that the friends' words are part of the inspired text and must be interpreted in context. In more recent centuries, the verse has often been employed in sermons on listening to the suffering: Eliphaz becomes an example of how not to counsel. The passage is also cited in discussions of the relationship between inherited doctrine and personal experience. Regardless of tradition, readers recognize that the question 'what do you know?' can be asked either to protect a system or to invite genuine dialogue. The book of Job as a whole invites the latter.

Preaching This Verse

Three-point outline

  1. The Arrogance of Tradition. Eliphaz assumes that the friends' inherited wisdom is complete. Age and consensus become the standard by which all claims are measured.
  2. The Blindness of Assumption. The rhetorical question is not a search for truth but a way to shut down Job. Eliphaz cannot imagine that Job might have learned something through suffering that the friends have not.
  3. The Hurts of Dismissal. Being told 'what do you know?' from a position of power inflicts real pain. This passage invites us to examine how we respond to those whose experience challenges our settled positions.

Five-point outline

  1. The weapon of repetition: Eliphaz uses Job's own words (12:3; 13:2) to mock him. This shows how our own claims can be turned against us, and how quickly debate can become personal.
  2. The appeal to age: Verse 10 grounds the argument in gray hair. The friends use their seniority as a trump card. Age brings wisdom, but not a monopoly on insight.
  3. The assumption of sufficiency: 'What do you know that we don't?' implies the friends have everything they need. There is no room for new understanding or another perspective.
  4. The dismissal of experience: Job is living through unspeakable loss. Eliphaz treats that experience as irrelevant to the question of wisdom. The verse reveals how the comfortable often explain away the pain of the afflicted.
  5. The limits of tradition: Eliphaz is not entirely wrong, the elders do have valuable knowledge. But his error is to make that knowledge absolute. The book of Job shows that God's wisdom is larger than any single tradition.

Illustration hooks

  • A staff meeting where a senior colleague dismisses a newer employee's suggestion: 'We tried that years ago; it didn't work.' True, but the context might have changed. Eliphaz's 'what do you know?' lives on in conference rooms today.
  • An older family member telling a younger relative who is struggling with faith: 'We've been Christians for decades. You just need to trust what we've always believed.' Helpful? Or does it close the door on honest questions?
  • A church leader insisting that a person with chronic illness just needs more faith, based on the pastor's experience with healing. The tradition of 'name it and claim it' becomes a weapon rather than a comfort.

Questions your congregation is asking

  • How do I know when my own tradition and experience are enough, and when they might be getting in the way of hearing God?
  • What should I say to someone who is suffering, that doesn't sound like Eliphaz?
  • If the friends were wrong in the book of Job, how do I avoid the same error when I counsel others?

Leading a Discussion

Job 15:9 exposes a conflict that often surfaces in churches and families. Eliphaz speaks from a place of settled tradition and assumes his community's understanding is complete. Job speaks from raw experience. This discussion guide helps your group explore the tension between these two kinds of knowledge.

Discussion questions

  1. Read Job 15:7-11 together. What assumptions does Eliphaz make about Job's motives and about the friends' own wisdom?
  2. Compare this verse with Job 12:3 and 13:2. How does Eliphaz use Job's own words against him? Why is that tactic particularly hurtful?
  3. When have you been on the receiving end of a question like 'what do you know?' How did it feel? Was there any truth in the question?
  4. When have you asked a similar question of someone else? What might have been a more helpful way to engage them?
  5. What are the legitimate strengths of relying on tradition and the wisdom of elders? Where does that approach fall short, especially in times of suffering?
  6. How might Job's suffering have given him a kind of knowledge the friends lacked? Does the book of Job support the idea that pain can teach us what comfort cannot?
  7. If you were Job's friend and wanted truly to comfort him, what would you say instead of Eliphaz's words? How can this passage shape your own practice of listening to those who are hurting?

What the Commentators Say

9 public-domain commentaries, condensed into plain language.

Adam Clarke's Commentary Methodist/Wesleyan 1826

Clarke notes that the question asks whether human wisdom surpasses God’s. It challenges the idea that people can possess true knowledge apart from God.

Barnes' Notes on the Bible Protestant 1832

Barnes notes that Zophar’s question is not a genuine request for information but a challenge to Job’s supposed superior wisdom. Zophar assumes his friends have equal knowledge and experience, making Job’s claims of special insight groundless. The argument rests on assumed equality, not on any proven point.

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges Anglican 1880

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges sees Job’s claim to greater wisdom as proof he rejected his friends’ counsel. His anger toward God shows his heart was filled with deep evil.

Geneva Bible Notes Reformed 1599

Geneva Bible Notes asks what knowledge the person has that others do not possess and what they understand that is not found in Scripture. This shows that true wisdom comes from God alone.

Gill's Exposition of the Bible Baptist 1748

Gill points out that spiritual knowledge is never equal among believers in this life; it comes in degrees like childhood, youth, and maturity. He insists that full equality in knowing the Lord belongs only to the coming glory, when saints will see plainly and know as they are known.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Commentary Protestant 1871

JFB explains that the phrase "in us" is a Hebrew idiom meaning "with us," which expresses inward awareness. The expression does not describe physical location but signals that a person is conscious of something within themselves.

Keil & Delitzsch OT Commentary Protestant 1876

Keil and Delitzsch argue that Job was not born first and therefore does not possess greater wisdom. They say Job’s friends point to older men among their own people who have deeper insight.

Lange's Commentary Reformed 1857

Lange notes that Eliphaz's second discourse adds nothing new to his earlier position, merely repeating his doctrine with increased violence

Matthew Henry's Commentary Reformed/Presbyterian 1710

Henry notes that Eliphaz accuses Job of speaking foolish nonsense instead of accepting his friends advice. He sees Job’s refusal to agree as pride causing him to speak harmful words.

Word Study

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Cross-References

Source: Treasury of Scripture Knowledge (TSK, public domain)

Job 12:3 But I have understanding as well as you; I am not inferior to you. Yes, who doesn’t know such things as these?
Job 13:2 What you know, I know also. I am not inferior to you.
Job 26:3 How have you counseled him who has no wisdom, and plentifully declared sound knowledge!
Job 26:4 To whom have you uttered words? Whose spirit came out of you?
II Corinthians 10:7 Do you look at things only as they appear in front of your face? If anyone trusts in himself that he is Christ’s, let him consider this again with himself, that even as he is Christ’s, so we also are Christ’s.
II Corinthians 11:5 For I reckon that I am not at all behind the very best apostles.
II Corinthians 11:21 To my shame, I speak as though we had been weak. Yet in whatever way anyone is bold (I speak in foolishness), I am bold also.
II Corinthians 11:30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that concern my weakness.

Interlinear and lexical data from STEPBible (CC BY 4.0). Cross-reference data from OpenBible.info (CC BY 4.0). Commentaries are public domain.

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